Yeah Barney, he said the same to me, but he cant. Malcolm from ABC in Anglesey was selling greys triplex at virtualy cost price a few years ago and Cliff said he coudnt match it. I reckon Malcolm was making a fiver on each rod. Dont get me wrong, Cliff has give excellent discount on any rod i've bought there ... but they can be got cheaper. The rod i was after they couldnt give any discount on as the manufacturer wouldnt give any to them, but i couldnt get a second mortgage to get it anyway so i'll carry on with what i've got!