hi willow,, went today ( time off work ) to see mr Chandler ( helpful chap ) as you suggested to get my new pass,, explained that i was on hoiliday at the time the list was taken by yourself and that i had paid my £10 last night to Eric Thompson,,, he advised that as i was not on the original list, that he would be unable to renew my pass without an email from Eddie to say i had paid.. ( i had receipt with me! ) so much for your agreement that we could go down at any time and renew your pass! ah well.. didnt want a new pass anyway,,,, will request that Eric refunds my £10 at the next meeting.... hope the fishing goes well tomorrow.... keith